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Congratulations Ekool... first you suggested that we move it here.... then you inacted the wrath of the forum gods and moved it here yourself. Anyway, good job you got me as a new subscriber. Your right though this seems to be a much more appropriate forum for this discussion. You got a sucker in me because I am very passionate about this subject. As most enthusiasts I make my car purchase decisions on performance and budget. I hate to see good performance buys be dismissed just because they're domestic, it drives me nuts. All the guys that hate on the 2003 SVT cobra... name one import that comes close the bang for the Buck tuning potential(besides the TTsupra that they no longer sell)? Same goes for the srt-4 and the CTS-v these are all great cars that sell for cheaper than there import counterparts. All I'm saying is don't be so set in your ways: give domestics a chance, we really are starting to make some good performance cars.
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Congratulations Ekool... first you suggested that we move it here.... then you inacted the wrath of the forum gods and moved it here yourself. Anyway, good job you got me as a new subscriber. Your right though this seems to be a much more appropriate forum for this discussion. You got a sucker in me because I am very passionate about this subject. As most enthusiasts I make my car purchase decisions on performance and budget. I hate to see good performance buys be dismissed just because they're domestic, it drives me nuts. All the guys that hate on the 2003 SVT cobra... name one import that comes close the bang for the Buck tuning potential(besides the TTsupra that they no longer sell)? Same goes for the srt-4 and the CTS-v these are all great cars that sell for cheaper than there import counterparts. All I'm saying is don't be so set in your ways: give domestics a chance, we really are starting to make some good performance cars.
I cant agree with you more. I have owned makes and models of all brands of cars. From performance Buicks and Fords, to performance imports such as my Supra. -- I see value in a car, regardless of who makes it.

The new CTS-V looks very promising to me. I dont see a problem with it slaughtering a Spec-V -- To say otherwise, is retarded.

However, there is a huge price difference between the two as well.

Just like the SRT-4 is an awesome bang for the buck car, much more so then other imports out on the market such as the S2000, the Spec V, RSX, etc.

However, to bring this back to specific Caddy stuff -- in 6 months, we wont even be arguing Cadillac will show what we all know they can.




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Well at least there are two guys on gods creation that agree on one thing. Cars should be judged on their performance not on who manufacturers them. The cadillac impresses most because it shows that GM isnt just rolling over and giving away the luxury performance segment to the germans. They honestly are trying to develop a world beater and not just another rebadged chevy. I just really wish Lincoln would get off their ass and make the LS competitive, I must admit this is for very personal reasons as well as proving that we do have world class engineers and products here in the U.S. and that we can compete.

The Problem for us is ever since ford bought Jaguar and aston they really haven't viewed Lincoln as being a priority in their True Enthusiast luxury marketplace. So we've been pretty much put on the back burner and left to the blue hairs. I've already torn out all the equipment for one of our most long standing models, and I really don't want to do another. I can only hope that by cadillac doing the CTS-v, Lincoln will feel obliged to respond with their own high performance model.

The Ls is a really good car I almost bought the V-8, But at the time the Audi S4 tuneability appealed to me more. If lincoln would've offered a more tunable LS I would have bought it. Like I said this whole arguement has been very personal to me. I'm sorry to have skewed away from the subject on hand but in general I'd just like to say make sure you look at all the offerings, don't dismiss the domestics just because. The CTS-V sure looks like yet another good domestic performance buy in it's segment.
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I thought the LS was an amazing platform, my main beef was that the V8 version wasnt available in a manual! Only the V6!

What a strange world we live in sometimes.

Also, wasnt the LS the first Lincoln EVER with an available Manual transmission?




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Yeah as far as I know it was the only lincoln in the last 50 years that came with a manual and yes unfortunately it was only available on the v6.
You'd think I'd know, but I'm not even sure if you can get the manual any more. Hopefully lincoln will learn sooner than later that performance vehicles should be available in manual and automatic, and dare I say maybe paddle shift hydraulic manual trans. I know Astons got one maybe lincoln could adapt it. Probably just wishful thinking though.

Hey One plus for me is at least I'll get to see the Ford GT's final production at our plant. Unfortunately It'll be such a low volume car that It won't really help the bottom line too much.
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Yes, Cadillac's can be race cars. Just like Mercedes, Bently, BMW, Audi, Jag, Toyota, etc.

AND WILL BE!!!!! they are not running this car (see below) for kicks. Cadillac needs to have a race program in order to be considered an international player. At least they had the nuggets to jump into the LMP car and run in one of the most competitive forms of racing. Never underestimate GM when it comes to building a competitive race car.

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I think it would be great to see Lincoln and Cadillac get a horsepower war going again. Looks like Mercedes is going to win that battle for now - SL65. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in the "Sixteen" and that vehicle at slightly off idle has more HP and Lb- FT than a Z06 at its peak power. Now thats power.

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Yes, Cadillac's can be race cars. Just like Mercedes, Bently, BMW, Audi, Jag, Toyota, etc.

AND WILL BE!!!!! they are not running this car (see below) for kicks. Cadillac needs to have a race program in order to be considered an international player. At least they had the nuggets to jump into the LMP car and run in one of the most competitive forms of racing. Never underestimate GM when it comes to building a competitive race car.
Yes given enough money I think they would've been competetive. Audi/ vw really sank alot of money into the development of their LMP much more than the GM bean counters were willing to spend. And in Le mans prototype racing money rules, hence caddys unfortunate finishes. But like you said at least they had the "nuggets to" go racing against the big boys. Oh well I can only hope Lincoln will follow soon.
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I think it would be great to see Lincoln and Cadillac get a horsepower war going again. Looks like Mercedes is going to win that battle for now - SL65. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in the "Sixteen" and that vehicle at slightly off idle has more HP and Lb- FT than a Z06 at its peak power. Now thats power.

Craig

Yeah, right now Mercedes is really putting out some powerful cars. I'd like to see the same H.P. wars between lincoln and Caddy, but unfortunately I don't see Lincoln in the picture any time soon. I really like the "sixteen" it's badass who knows maybe now that lutz is in charge maybe they'll make it. It would be nice to see a veyron competetor.
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