For Cts-v Owners...

i am not knocking any of the owners of these cars but i am knocking the cts-v. i had a 05 cts-v and for the money i had spent i feel really dumb. the car should not break for the money spent. the rear end in my cts-v went out twice from just burnouts and launches. i had an srt-4 that i did major peelouts and hard launches and never had a problem. that car was more than half the price of the cts-v.
anyways i dumped my cts-v and got a REAL car. 2005 GTO 6spd. i test drove one before buying and did more peelouts, doughnuts, launches than i ever did in my cts-v and it still didnt break and made it back to the dealership. then i chose another one and bought it with so many add ons - k&n cold air intake, long tube headers, 160 thermostat, shortshifter, catback exhaust, PCM upgrade, and a sunroof added since they do not have one, custom18" wheels and a body kit and it still was about 10k cheaper than the cts-v i bought! the GTO is so much better in many ways. there is so much aftermarket parts for the car you can make it as fast as you want i was surprised and its its already faster with the new vette motors LS2, handles better and for sure more reliable.
im not trying to sell this car i just dont want anyone to feel dumb like me to buy the cts-v thinking yeah im gonna be fast and race people and have it breaking on y'all. im glad i got rid of my cts-v. for anyone that is like me that want to race their cars and do burnouts/launches without breaking and being without your car GTO is the way to go and they also have a great forums.
oh yeah, now im LS2-GTO SPEEDRACER. :D

Wow... when your diff broke, was it wheelhopping like a mother? Did you stay into it, despite the wheelhop?

Wow... when your diff broke, was it wheelhopping like a mother? Did you stay into it, despite the wheelhop? yes it wheel hopped and i stayed into it. this car is just not a racer type and not built well. i have not had any car that wheelhopped like the cts-v it is ridiculous and kinda retarded. for the money for this car it could at least have a durable rear. but i did fix the problem.... just got a better car for cheaper.

i know you like racing cars man. dont you do the srt-4 forums? im sorry for your misfortune of the cts-v because its gonna take a lot of work to make it right and a fast racer. like i said i bought my 05 GTO with so much add ons and was sooo much cheaper than a plain cts-v. the monthly for the cts-v is crazy when you can have a modded GTO for hundreds less and be reliable at the same time. best advice for you if you want to race a car, get rid of the cts-v and get a 05 GTO. i took a loss on my cts-v with the difference but i know its worth it.

Sounds like what you need comes from Tonka...... :rolleyes:

The GTO is going to be cheaper because its not in the same class of car. The CTS-V is a luxury sports car.. the GTO is just a sports car. You are going to see a ton of GTO's running around any given town, but the CTS-V will be a rare vehicle.

I want a combination of luxury and performance, and the CTS-V can give that to me, while the GTO cannot.

You mention the SRT-4, and it is a great performance vehicle with alot of bang for the buck... and, its a VERY stout car.. with that said tho, I have seen people break the front diff on the SRT-4 too, mostly from wheelhop, and mostly from people who stay into the throttle even when the thing is wheel hopping.

The same goes for the Supra.. I've seen the stock rear diff take the car into the 8's and I've seen people break it on 12 second cars.... if the car starts to wheel hop, you need to lift and try again another time.

I have managed to take off from a stop and accelerate very quickly (using my butt dyno) without experiencing wheel hop... so it is possible.

BTW,

Here is a video of my Supra wheel hopping, and me lifting as soon as it registered in my brain... it would have been a decent run as well:

http://skank.fiendish.net/~ekool/supra/vids/ekool-2nd-gear-wheel-hop-lift.wmv

LOL the GTO in towns all around? There are at a maximum 12K 2005 GTOS, only 15K 2004s.

I have seen 3 in my city, mainly because I live around them. You will NOT see tons of GTOs running around town.

But with that said, its your fault the car broke, anyone knows if you have wheel hop to lay off of else you risk breaking parts. Sounds like you just wanted a car you could go fast in, not a V series.

LOL the GTO in towns all around? There are at a maximum 12K 2005 GTOS, only 15K 2004s.

I have seen 3 in my city, mainly because I live around them. You will NOT see tons of GTOs running around town.


My dealership here has had 5 different ones on the lot (small town, 35k population), and at 12k and 15k, thats still going to be 3 times the number of V's out on the road ;)

My dealership here has had 5 different ones on the lot (small town, 35k population), and at 12k and 15k, thats still going to be 3 times the number of V's out on the road ;)

True, but there won't be TONS of them around.

With all due respect to speed racer, do you see any Mercedes Benz AMG web sites talking about "launches or doughnuts"? the CTS-V is taking Cadillac to a new market and it I am afraid that the only way that they can accomplish this is to raise the price by 15K so that some people don't think of it as a over priced GTO or Mustang. You have found your car.

I live in Tacoma Washington and I see TONS of GTO's, I have only seen 1 other V. I was looking at the GTO before I bought my V.

i am not knocking any of the owners of these cars but i am knocking the cts-v. i had a 05 cts-v and for the money i had spent i feel really dumb. the car should not break for the money spent. the rear end in my cts-v went out twice from just burnouts and launches. i had an srt-4 that i did major peelouts and hard launches and never had a problem. that car was more than half the price of the cts-v.
anyways i dumped my cts-v and got a REAL car. 2005 GTO 6spd. i test drove one before buying and did more peelouts, doughnuts, launches than i ever did in my cts-v and it still didnt break and made it back to the dealership. then i chose another one and bought it with so many add ons - k&n cold air intake, long tube headers, 160 thermostat, shortshifter, catback exhaust, PCM upgrade, and a sunroof added since they do not have one, custom18" wheels and a body kit and it still was about 10k cheaper than the cts-v i bought! the GTO is so much better in many ways. there is so much aftermarket parts for the car you can make it as fast as you want i was surprised and its its already faster with the new vette motors LS2, handles better and for sure more reliable.
im not trying to sell this car i just dont want anyone to feel dumb like me to buy the cts-v thinking yeah im gonna be fast and race people and have it breaking on y'all. im glad i got rid of my cts-v. for anyone that is like me that want to race their cars and do burnouts/launches without breaking and being without your car GTO is the way to go and they also have a great forums.
oh yeah, now im LS2-GTO SPEEDRACER. :D


Nobody cares about the GTO anyway. Probably why GM is scrapping it for 2007. I have a Luxury High Performance car that I love. If I wanted to do burnouts with all the other highschool kids I would buy my 69 Charger back. I spent 50k for the name Cadillac has made and is making for itself. I have not broke anything on my V probably becuase I don't treat it like some 15k rice rocket. Go do burnouts in your GTO like some punk and see how long that car really lasts. :D

Just my .02 cents.

Rock

Nobody cares about the GTO anyway. Probably why GM is scrapping it for 2007. I have a Luxury High Performance car that I love. If I wanted to do burnouts with all the other highschool kids I would buy my 69 Charger back. I spent 50k for the name Cadillac has made and is making for itself. I have not broke anything on my V probably becuase I don't treat it like some 15k rice rocket. Go do burnouts in your GTO like some punk and see how long that car really lasts. :D

Just my .02 cents.

Rock

I do! I own one because it's a great car much like the CTS-V and has similar performance and of course similar aftermarket performance capability due to the sharing of the same heart. However, I wouldn't classify my GTO as any more "Real" than a CTS-V either. Both are great "Real" cars on their own merits.

Also you need to bone up on the facts of the GTO before making an absurd and incorrect statement like above. It being "scrapped" was told to us back in 2003 before the first U.S. market GTO ever had been converted from a Monaro to a GTO. In a posted agreement with the UAW, they stated that the GTO would be imported from Holden for 3 model years at an annual production limit of 18,000 vehicles per year. After which, the Monaro would no longer be produced by Holden which means no GTO either. 3 model years are 1) 2004, 2) 2005, 3) 2006. That would mean no 2007, right?

What that announcement did state was simply that the currently being worked on GMX282 and GMX285 platform that will spawn the next Camaro (the concept one you've seen on the autoshow circuit), the next G8, the next Impala, the next Monte Carlo, etc, that would be produced here in the United States of America WILL NOT HAVE A GTO VARIANT PRODUCED!

Comments above reflect the stereotypical "snobbish" attitude of luxury brand buying consumers such as Cadillac and BMW. In this case, that if it doesn't have a wreath and crest on it's grill that it's inferior. That just isn't the case.

Learn a little about the car first! It's actually a gem that few people actually know which makes it more surprising when they get in it and the first comment out of their mouth is "This is a GM product!?"

I live in Tacoma Washington and I see TONS of GTO's, I have only seen 1 other V. I was looking at the GTO before I bought my V.

How can you see tons of GTO's? First, only 15,728 were produced in 2004, of which 14,864 (the difference is that some were lost into the Pacific, Some were lost in a couple train wrecks and the remainder were press cars/test mules) made it into consumer hands and while the final build number and sales numbers for 2005 hasn't been reported yet, rumor has it that it was slightly less than '04. That means so far, 31,000 vehicles are spread across 50 states. Tacoma Washington isn't a big market for them either. California, Chicago (Illinois), Texas (Houston), Florida and the New York and Boston areas are the tops. So 31,000 vehicles spread across 50 states, with the majority of them in the areas I mentioned above, wouldn't leave many for the SeaTac area for you to see "tons" of them.

I'm in Chicago, one of those "hot" markets and I see about 2 a week outside of our normal club get togethers, so how you can see "tons" of them is statistically beyond me.

I do! I own one because it's a great car much like the CTS-V and has similar performance and of course similar aftermarket performance capability due to the sharing of the same heart. However, I wouldn't classify my GTO as any more "Real" than a CTS-V either. Both are great "Real" cars on their own merits.

Also you need to bone up on the facts of the GTO before making an absurd and incorrect statement like above. It being "scrapped" was told to us back in 2003 before the first U.S. market GTO ever had been converted from a Monaro to a GTO. In a posted agreement with the UAW, they stated that the GTO would be imported from Holden for 3 model years at an annual production limit of 18,000 vehicles per year. After which, the Monaro would no longer be produced by Holden which means no GTO either. 3 model years are 1) 2004, 2) 2005, 3) 2006. That would mean no 2007, right?

What that announcement did state was simply that the currently being worked on GMX282 and GMX285 platform that will spawn the next Camaro (the concept one you've seen on the autoshow circuit), the next G8, the next Impala, the next Monte Carlo, etc, that would be produced here in the United States of America WILL NOT HAVE A GTO VARIANT PRODUCED!

Comments above reflect the stereotypical "snobbish" attitude of luxury brand buying consumers such as Cadillac and BMW. In this case, that if it doesn't have a wreath and crest on it's grill that it's inferior. That just isn't the case.

Learn a little about the car first! It's actually a gem that few people actually know which makes it more surprising when they get in it and the first comment out of their mouth is "This is a GM product!?"

Okay GTO lover, you made your point. If I really liked the GTO I would have bought one. Now go sell your opinion on the GTO forum.

How can you see tons of GTO's? First, only 15,728 were produced in 2004, of which 14,864 (the difference is that some were lost into the Pacific, Some were lost in a couple train wrecks and the remainder were press cars/test mules) made it into consumer hands and while the final build number and sales numbers for 2005 hasn't been reported yet, rumor has it that it was slightly less than '04. That means so far, 31,000 vehicles are spread across 50 states. Tacoma Washington isn't a big market for them either. California, Chicago (Illinois), Texas (Houston), Florida and the New York and Boston areas are the tops. So 31,000 vehicles spread across 50 states, with the majority of them in the areas I mentioned above, wouldn't leave many for the SeaTac area for you to see "tons" of them.

I'm in Chicago, one of those "hot" markets and I see about 2 a week outside of our normal club get togethers, so how you can see "tons" of them is statistically beyond me.

Dude you are boring me. Hey administrator, where is the yawning smiley??

Dude you are boring me. Hey administrator, where is the yawning smiley??


Smiley... I'll have to find out why so few are available here. It's on my list of things to do today. :D

I have to make a dumb comment here. In all the complaining about wheel hop, I have never seen someone say that you MUST turn off traction control and better yet stabilitrak before you launch. Is that an automatic assumption or am I the only one who does this before I put the pedal to the medal?

I believe most people probably are also aware of this SwampFox. I certainly would assume that they are all disabling the Traction Control and stabilitrak.

[QUOTE=CMNTMXR57]How can you see tons of GTO's? First, only 15,728


This is still more than 4 times the amount of CTS V's produced in 2004. So it stands to reason that you will see more of them on the street.

I have a great amount of respect for the perfomance of the GTO's however they have not done that well in sales unfortunately. I do like them, yet I think they fell well short in the looks department. I'll take an 02 WS6 any day of the week.

Just my .02 (Which is worth about half that)